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my 97 gsr
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Posted: 05/24/09 06:51 PM
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i jsut bought a 97 gsr from step sisters mom. has 83k miles on it. runs great.. my first little project car ever.. no rust no nothing.. been grarage whole life.. have seen for my self because they live three blocks away from me. i have a intake in already and exhaust on the way.. i make some decent money.. what else could i do to it so i can smash this civic with a h22 swap? hahahaha
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Wendel_X
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Posted: 05/25/09 12:26 AM
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Since you make a good income as you say. Rebuild the engine and turbo/supercharge the thing. You don't need billet cranks or forged conecting rods (i.e. internals on japanese/Foreign cars are only aboult 1 gram or less off weight.) But it would be good to rebalance the crank for good measure and refurbish the connecting rods. The only thing for internal wise would be dimpled pistons around 8:1 compression to prevent any mishap and to make the engine truly turbo ready. As for the guys who say put sleves or whatnot. The turbo/supercharger kits out there only provide 6-8psi and that's not alot and the engine can take it even on stock levels and the most a FWD trans-axle system can take worry free is up to the 230-250HP mark so getting sleves for an engine that ain't never be used 300+ (mind you the turbo would take forever to reach that 300+ level and that doucher in the H22 would be already gone) is inpractical. Look for a turbo/blower kit that comes with the most misc. accesories. Mainly ECU, Intercooled, B.O.V., injectors, etc. After that a progressivley stroger clutch kit and a LSD so you don't torque steet into your neighbour's lawn.
I know it sounds too easy, but sometimes it is. My friend got a 96 jetta 2.0 and he bought a neuspeed superchargerk kit for the thing. We didn't rebuild it since he said he'd been using synthetic oil at 3,000 mile intervals since he bought it and it did run like new for having 110k miles. It came with almost everything you could ever ask for and it only was $2,500. And we installed it ourselves. It went from having 90hp to 120 at the wheels so not bad considering it's a car for designed for geeks and interns.
But since the future is so far away. Just get some good tires it'll be better than the ones the car already has and it'll give it a better launch and/or cornering. Dunlop makes a pretty damn good tire and I got some on my car. The Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec (I know long name). Mine lasted 38,000 miles before the sidewalls were knawed to hell.
read these articles though they should be of help.
http://www.modified.com/tech/sccp_0811_project_budget_acura_integra/index.html
http://www.modified.com/features/0711_sccp_2001_acura_integra_type_r/index.html
Good luck on you project and a tip of advice. Take your time and balance the parts you're gonna put on your engine. Don't just mash them in there or you'll be just dumping money into the toilet.
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Posted: 05/25/09 10:31 AM
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hey its the 97gsrne dude.. i dont know what the hell is going on with my old account but this my new one.. thnaks for the post reply... i do know a little bit of what your saying.. i ahve a buddy that knows ton more than me so well have to use urs and his knowledge so i can smash this kids little turd.. so will i ever be able to get 300 plus horses out of my b18? can i run more than 6-8psi? i may be confused as to what you are trying to say.. sorry for any incovience...
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Wendel_X
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Posted: 05/25/09 11:28 AM
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I guess my reply was kinda erratic... You don't have to rebuild it if it has only 80k miles and everything is fine mechanically, but I'd do a good tune up and replace everything that might need to. Timing belt, spark-plugs, serpentine belt, 02 sensor(s), the sort.
You could be able to pump 300hp out of it, but I wouldn't recomend it. The new Focus in Europe has 300hp FWD, but it has a bunch of things and a pretty complicated limited slip diff to control it all, so I don't think todays aftermarket has anything that would be reliable in the long run...
I found this Centrifugal supercharger from Procharger and a Turbo kit from Turbonetics, but since they only price difference is about 300 more for the Turbo I'd get the turbo kit. Since its gonna be more streetable than the supercharger and you get more use of the powerband with a turbo than a centrifugal supercharger (basically the type of blower only works on high RPM and only for so much before its goes down in efficiency). Now we take care of the other things. I also found a aftermarket radiator from either Fluidine or Mishimoto. Mishimoto being the cheapest but they do have a race winning Acura RSX with their cooling products on it and it was heavily modified so I guess their products work. Another thing to get rid of exess heat would be a vented Hood if you don't mind pullling out the metal clippers and doing it yourself. The best hood for the aplication would be that the vents are located in between the exhaust manifold and the radiator. Hence why the previous generation evos had them there. The problem is that you'll most likely need a vented hood with the same pattern. SEIBON makes a few vented hoods and one of them is the EVO pattern. I guess you could pull it off telling people its practical and not rice...
The only thing left is making the turbo work easier, but you already said you're getting an exhaust. so just get a high flow cat. Don't get those "Cat-deleting" test pipes that practically just annoy the hell out of people in rush hour with the smell of raw gasoline and it kills the environment.
You could run more than 8psi, but you need to run a few formulas to be in the correct efficiency island and that would take a few more pages than a I'd already written. Just buy this book. Sport Compact Car Engine and Driveline Handbook. After that one just keep going to Barnes & Noble and keep getting more books on the subjects you need (mind you suspension is one of them) because being a bit more booksmart than hands on pays off. You still need to get your hands (and possibly torso) greasy.
*** For a Limited Slip Differential get a 1.5 way one its more suitable than a 2.0 for the street. I hope I became a little clearer, so don't apologize most people can't comprehend what I'm saying anyways LOL! I avoided the Camshaft portion cuz you need to rent a Dyno and do a bit more math... so yeah.
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Posted: 05/25/09 06:41 PM
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holy *** your killing me with this college grammer correct way of telling me... haha.. well im def getting a suspension next week some time.. a tanabe to be exact.. unless theres a better one for cheaper price. all the timing belts were replaced in the last few months he said.. not the spark plugs though.i def dont want a supercharger.. i was thinking of the gtr32 turbo? correct me if im wrong im not sure if thats the right turbo im trying to name or not. the exhaust i ordered is a hks highpower exhaust. my buddy was saying that when i turbo it wellget a different exhuast so when im jsut crusin around it wont be soloud. well have a cutout in the exhaust. and then when im bout to smash some kid well flip the switch and then itll be nasty. lol so then the next thing would be a vented hood? and from what i get from you said get one where the vents are by the exhaust and manifld? so exactly how many psi could i run? and what you mean by formulas? yea i was looking up about some cams and *** and seams like those are pretty difficult for a dumbass like myself.. but the guy i bought it from knows a *** ton about cars.. and we just replaced the radiator showed me how to do oil change bled teh breaks and adjusted the valves. and i have some really cool integra gsr books he got when he bought it in97. and it had the correct numbers for adjusting the valves. so idk if it would have *** in there aobut turboing the car or not....
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Wendel_X
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Posted: 05/25/09 07:45 PM
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LOL Actaully I only got to graduate highs school and that's it. Didn't feel like wasting time on more studying...
If you want to go Naturally Aspirated on your GS-R there are ways to do it and still have fun. Though if you want to turbocharge it. The Turbonetics kit comes with a T3/T4 hybrid turbo which provides a compromise between spooling and power. The kit also said that it jumps power to about 260HP at 8psi. Now that is pretty good! (so I'd recommend it.) About the formulas buy the book I mentioned and you'll open your eyes to this. Remember that geeky kid in math class? He's more a profesional engine builder than you or I conbined. Those formulas equate the efficiency of the forced air comming into the engine. So if you know a geeky kid make him your best friend or whatever, buy him a cone of ice cream or something and then tell him "I need an engine! and I need your date-less brain to do it!" When we uped the boost on the Jetta we did about 2 pages or calculations and scribbles before we got consequtive answers, because believe me. You need a long as equation to do another long ass equation (well in my poorly educated view anyways...Maybe not to somebody else) Because if everything is according to what a pro would do you get pro answers and pro results or failures! On the exhaust you don't really need a turbo exhaust. as long as it says below 95db it should remain at or below 95db. We have a Magnaflow high flow cat and Cat-back exhaust and it's not that loud. Not compared to another idot who riced his jetta and you could hear him blocks away.
On the hood vents. The exhaust manifold should be those tubes that hook up to your engine (closest to you)

see where this guy's index tow is pointing that silver pan where the yellow dipstick is, below it is the exhaust manifold (bunch of tubes hooking to the engine.) That's where the turbo will go as well since it replaces the exhaust manifold. So right smack in the middle or somewhere near it should be the hood vents to get rid of exess heat that the turbocharger will create. Remember less heat more power.
also don't fret. I started pretty much on the same steps you're starting. Just get acustomed to the engine and its components read a butload of books and buy a crappy car that you don't give a *** about and try taking the engine appart and putting it back toghether. A geo metro or Ford Festiva or one of the millions of crapaliers out there...
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I strongly recomend you buy that book Sport Compact Car: Engine and Driveline Handbook. You'll jump light years once you figure it out.
I used to paint cars for a living so ask me if you want to learn to paint your car or whatnot... It's easier than paying some guy to rip you off and comming out ugly.
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Posted: 05/27/09 01:28 PM
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im def going to get that book sometime this weekend.. and about the turbonectics t3/t4 turbo.. it will provide an extra 260 hp or like 100 on top of the 160 or 170 i have in the motor already.. so if i wanted to run like 20 psi i woudl have to get a aftermarket axle thing to hadnle the power? running 8psi would that smash like corvettes and *** like that wbu sti's evo's lol
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Posted: 05/31/09 11:44 AM
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yea man. you nailed it right on the dot. your smart
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Posted: 06/02/09 12:27 PM
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hmm, didn't think he was connected to the import scene at all. We talkin about the skyline fire or is this another incident?
---- 1994 GTO Twin Turbo nothin wrong with front-wheel drive, I just refuse to own one
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