hondas nacuras are a waist of time.

who would agree that anything running a v-tech motor with less than a turbo / supercharger. is a waist of time and money????????  

you sir are a load of crap.

where do i begin. lets start with a crx runnin a jdm gsr b18 pushin 285whp, natuned, runnin 13.2 in the 1/4 with sunroof open and windows down. 99 civic runnin a h22 pushin 246whp. 2007 civic runnin a k2o pushin 250whp. do you need anymore reasons.  
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Yea I completely agree with this statement. The only Honda's worth racing have had between 10-15k invested under the hood, and are running slicks and sleeved blocks with turbos.

Otherwise there slow as *** and really an economy car. I have respect for the "fast" hondas, but most Hondas are slow, and staying NA and running low 13's is giving yourself a disadvantage in racing. Thats not my fault the Honda owner chose to do that.

I have a turbo car that runs low 13's stock, Ill blow his doors off with a few hundred in mods.  

we spent 4gs on the jdm block and would smoke your pos mr2 any day. your mr2 is not fast. ive been lookin for one in town so i could race it. it beat me by half a car length. wow, such a badass car couldnt even smoke a practically stock eclipse. as a tuner i know that you have either put a bunch of money into that car or you did it the *** way and bought it already beefed up. which is it. the little 12mm turbo on those car barely gives it any power.  
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also, if a natuned honda could run faster then your car imagine if we had turboed it. it would make your car look like a riced up geo metro. oh yeah, i went there.  
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Your reasoning sounds like typical Honda talk on why they lost the race. I would of won if I had gotten traction. (Its not my fault you chose an inferior FWD platform)

Its not fair you bought a car that already comes with a turbo charger. (Once again, not my fault my car came built for boost from the factory)

Actually the turbo honda would still look like a POS without a multi-thousand dollar rebuild of the motor because he would either only be running 8 psi of boost or blow his weak aluminum block.

And your talking about spending 4g's on non-stock motors and having them weld in different motor mounts to fit a h22a into a civic. My motor came directly from the factory with what it has, and I just added a few bolt ons.
A $400 .50 trim
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and a different intercooler (Ill be actually upgrading back to the STOCK ST205 intercooler in the next month)

Unfortunately I dont know of too many Honda's that can make 300-400whp with what it came with from the factory, meanwhile Honda owners rave about making 250whp with a K20a with a couple bolt ons.

You see there is a big difference between the 200 and the 300whp range, but you wouldnt know since your still in the 100's range.

Dont get me started about making a turn, you sir are the understeer king.

Basically the main difference a Honda and my car is my car was built for racing from the factory, and Hondas have to have virtually every component upgraded and replaced before they are race worthy.

I dont know if you know this because you talk about your car and other FWD NA's proudly, but you should be embarassed of your car and it blows my mind that you dont realize it, and try to look like you think its fast.  

I don't think Honda's are a "waist" ot time per se. Any car can be tuned, but you need to take certain factors into consideration; cost to upgrade, initial value of the car versus it's current market price, and aftermarket support.

Hondas have an advantage when it comes to cost to upgrade because they're cheap to begin with. The whole reason Honda's gained popularity in the tuner scene is because anyone from your local burger flipper to the guy working in an office down town can pick one up for pocket change and start messing around on it. A supercharger for an older 2000 and older Civic can run as cheap as a grand, which to most, is affordable. A supercharger for an SLK 55 will run you about 16-18,000. You get more power with the 16k supercharger, but the power to money ratio is much smaller.

Next you need to take into consideration the initial value of the car being tuned. A Civic is cheap, but pretty much everything sans the chassis is going to be replaced if you want to make huge numbers, and even then you're limited by the FWD drivetrain. This is why many opt for a Mitsubishi Eclipse or Evo. The engine has a high value to tuners because it can withstand so much torture. Also, consider that many newer cars may cost more, but they come with newer technology. Aluminum bodies, chemically coated internals, newer combustion technology like direct injection, vtec, mivec, vvti, stability assist, differentials, and all kinds of parts that may come with the car give them added value that some may overlook when purchasing a tuner car.

Finally, an aftermarket community with a large product base is probably the most important factor when choosing a tuner, especially when starting out. You'll need to obtain advice from others who have knowledge in buliding 4g's, k20's rb's 2j's or whatever engine you have. This is why most will opt away from a Tiburon, Kia or even the minivan. Sure, some people will go through the labor and extensive research needed to pull off tuners of the sorts, but it's much more common to build Subies, Mitsus or Hondas for a reason. It's also a huge plus when you can purchase a performance kit that's already been tested and tuned by a well-known source. Full Race, Greddy, HKS and the other big names out there do the work for you and you don't need to have a degree in physics to figure out what type of valves you want to put in your car. Newer cars especially require a high level of knowledge in air flow, fuel ratios, gear ratios, and electronic fuel management.

So to answer the question, I don't think tuning a Honda is a waste so much as it isn't a suitible platform for an experienced tuner to be working on, unless he or she can make a good living on it. I think of Hondas as great "beginner" platforms. You learn the basic mechanics behind what makes a car move, but leave out some more complicated comcepts you'll just end up picking up down the road anyways.  

Just FYI its VTEC not v-tech. V-tech is a phone brand.  
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And hey don't hate on all Hondas. Where is the S2000 and NSX love =)  
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we rebuilt a gsr b18 pushin 285whp with a 7:1 compression ratio. it was sleeved and ready for boost. if we spent another grand on a turbo we could of easily had 400whp. in a 1700lb car, you would have no chance.

now sumtimes im the first one to talk *** on honda cause most people only run intake and exhaust. the people who actually take their time and do all the work on their motor and car should be respected. there is a new member in my cc that took a h22 and stuffed it into a 97 civic. he did all the custom work himself. thats more than most people can say. his dad taught him how to weld and he goes to our local votech for auto mechanics.

hondas are so wide spread and they are the most riced out cars in the import scene. but that shouldnt ruin it for real tuners. if a natuned honda can smoke your turboed car, you should be the one being mocked.

oh yeah, scrotum, what motor do you have in your car again. what is the liter of it. you never mention it. all you say is that its turboed.  
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the 3s-gte is a 2.0L.  hes got the beefed up 3rd gen JDM-only version if i remember right.  
91 MR-2 Turbo 5-spd
BBS lightweight wheels with Goodyear F1 rubber
Tit-alum A arms with Koni adj. coilovers
Rotura big brake kit in front

They were sold in Europe as well, but your right that my motor happens to be JDM.

Its only beefed up in comparison to the 2nd gen 3sgte, it really has had very little done to it from what it came with from the factory.

Godfather Hondas arent the only enthusiasts that stuff high hp motors into light chassis, if I really wanted to make a car that could reach the end of the quartermile faster than a boosted CRX, I would go with the MK1.5 which is a lighweight 2300lb stock MK1 chassis, with a 3sgte stuffed in it and go from there, and then further lighten the chassis through replacing stock components with CF parts etc.

But then I couldnt brag about having a factory motor in my car to run the amazing quartermile times that its capable. Heck people put V8's in MR2's before, the sky is the limit as long as their is money.

The only reason Hondas tend to run faster times after theyve had everything rebuilt and upgraded is  because there are several million more Honda/Acura's to build off of than the very few MR2's there are, and there aftermarket is huge in comparison to the MR2 Aftermarket.

Despite all of those disadvantages the MR2 still makes an excellent drag/autox/track car with few modifications to it.  

so you did put a different motor in your car. american mr2s only have a 1.8l in them. how much did it cost you to put the jdm motor in. isnt you having to put a jem motor in your car to get real power the same as a honda gettin a jdm motor for more power. or is it that it pisses you off that a stock jdm gsr pushes 195hp.  
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look the motor seized after 163xxx miles of use and the car needed a new one so I had a 3rd gen 3sgte from a MR2 in Japan put in my MR2 in America. Its a direct bolt in motor that the car was built to handle from the factory.

The only MR2 that comes with 1.8l of displacement is the MKIII.

ANd whether the jdm gsr integra is pushing 175hp or 195hp id still blow its doors off because my 4cylinder is setup to make 400hp with just a few bolt on mods to the stock motor, and makes 240hp stock.

the 240cc injectors the Integra comes with are laffable compared to my stock 540cc injectors.  

so, how much did you spend on the engine swap. your still not answering my question.

a b18 bolts straight into a crx. you cant tell me that 285whp in a 1700lbs car is a pos.

also a natuned 3sge only pushes 115hp, and with a stock turbo only runs 165whp. i finally found someone with the 3sgte. he just stuck it into a ae86. straight out of the box from japan. if i had a photo copier on my computer, id show you the dyno sheet.  
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