Thanks for the PM 3kgt

So whats your guys thoughts on the Eagle Talon?  

Same car, different name and a few different stylings and typically a lower price.. If im not mistaken the Tsi is the same as the gsx.. not 100% sure tho  

Ok finnally 16 and getting my car real soon so ive been searching around and just wonderin what you guys opinions on what ive been lookin at. so ive been lookin at a
98-01 audi a4 1.8T Quattro,
a 99 eclipse gsx,
FC rx7,
yea my parents are limiting me to a 10k or less car so if you guys got any suggestions thatd be great to  

performance wize, 93+ supras? or any T Supra?  

Anything with the 2jz  

I dont like the idea that my 3000GT Sl will lose to my friends mrdeuce, any way I can take him off the line and in the end without breaking the bank? i already have lighter wheels and a K&N filtercharged system in it. Even planning on removing rear useless bench seat and spare tire from trunk.  

No, it is not very likely to happen if he has a 3sgte installed.

Just to give you an idea of how fast these cars are, I own one, and with a factory 3rd gen 3sgte installed, they run a 13.3 b4 putting a dime into an aftermarket part, your 3000gt SL runs high 15's or 16's. With a dpipe, IC, MBC and intake (less than $500 in parts), mine ran a 12.8@108.3mph with the previous owner. I expect 11's after putting on a mere bolt on turbokit and nothing else, since it has 540cc injectors stock.

The 2nd gen 3sgte's only did 14.7 stock, but they are vastly overengineered for racing as well. Jose Rosario took his 2nd gen 3sgte, put on a bolt on turbokit (not sure which), and a methanol injection kit, running %100 methanol and more than 20lbs of boost, ran an 11.4 with stock unopened motor, cams/ecu/fuel system etc.

I have not taken mine to the track becuz I have been lazy about putting in proper supporting mods for track use, but when I put my Anti-torque bar on, I expect low 12's, high 11's, out of my mostly stock MR2 Turbo.

For a 3000gt SL, to run 13's is considered impressive, for a MR2 Turbo, its considered to be a disappointment.  

sup guys im 17 ive been drivin for awhile and i wanted a project car/Daily driver somethin to beat all the riced out hondas at my school too lol
which car do you think would be a nice choice out of subaru impreza,honda prelude, acura integra gs-r
these are my choices not much i know but these are the only ones i really like
i can get that teg for 5k do you think i should just buy that and put like 10k in the engine the imprezas gonna cost me about 15k anyhow ...i have a budget of 15k  

ive found a 240zx for cheap so you can add that to the list and i decided against the teg and civic
oh yeah also what about a mustang or camaro?
-240zx
-wrx  

Make the wrx to the STi and have fun

I try to stay away from mustangs and camaros. Just so common and cheap large power. I see no pride in taking a car with massive displacement and beating a 2.0L barely.

Check out the "New car sticky" First post will have a fairly good option of cars to look into. Your going to want to look into something stock- turbo/supercharged.. RWD, or AWD  

reasons why your new car ''stickey'' makes no sense

1.FWD is a good tuning platform
 The civic has a huge following/aftermarket.
 Companies would not pay attention to it if
 it was not a good platfrom and does not lose
 much power through drivetrain
2.RWD loses more percentage of power through
 drivetrain than FWD, because of drive wheels
 are further from power source (engine)  
3.you use the word racing to generically. because
 AWD is best for time attack, rally and drag
 RWD is good for drifting
4.Forced induction means and boosted car not just
 stock turbo cars
5.You for get to mention that forced inducted
 motors do not last very long and can be damaged
 very easily without proper engine knowledge
6.NA is also just as good as turbo. the JDM
 integra typeR stock vs. stock can beat most
 model skylines.
7.The toyota mr2 never came with 250rwhp. the
 turbo mr2 in japan only made 220hp before the
 transmission. America only got 200hp before the
 transmission on the turbo version. NA only made
 130hp.
8.The 3000gt vr-4 did not make 330AWHP. the vr4
 only made about 235AWHP depending on the
 dynamometer being used.
9.BHP means horse power made without and drag
 (water pump, alternator, power steering,
 ac compressor)it is measured at the output
 shaft. not the flywheel
10.Neither the trans am or z28 came stock with a
  supercharger just NA 350 V8from vette
11.The silvia has a RWD sr20det stock with no
  engine swap
12.There is alot more turbocharged civics in the
  world the the 350z, g35, and s2000

Not to sound rude but very little of what you wrote was even close to being accurate, and even less is good advise. just next time do some research  

1. Not even gonna try to argue for civics on this one
2. No *** sherlock i put that down with the percentages of drivetrain loss
3. Sorry for working 16 hour days and trying to do this stuff in my free time
4. I never said FI had to be just for stock turbo cars. Turbo converted cars are just much harder and tend to be much more expensive and harder to find.
5. Maintenance makes a massive difference.
6.Turbo- Turn up the boost. NA- rebuild for turbo.. Horsepower/$ = turbo better
7. Idk much bout mr2's. Lots of those numbers came from sirs
8. 315hp 320 lb-ft torque.
9. Sorry the source i got it from was incorrect
10. I made it clear i didnt know much about those vehicles
11. Same as #10
12. And your point?...  

Ive been on these forums reading for about the last  9 months just reading and never posting. having said that i just want to say i find this new car sticky very helpful and what everyone on this forum has to say quite interesting. i just wanted to point out that the numbers used for the mr2, from what i read from this thread, are sirs specs on his mr2 not a stock one, correct me if im wrong. but also i dont think people need to tear down other people like that when they are only trying to help. its kind of lame..  

PS  id like to see the stock integra beat a GTR stock, any kind of competant driver would not have a problem beating a teg in a skyline  GTR or GTS. The nice thing about boost is u can always turn it up..  

As for the MR2 comment, there were more than the 135hp and 200hp USDM MR2's on the market for sale, the JDM 94-99 MR2's came with 245ps, the JDM 90-93's came with 225ps, and I never claimed it to be whp, that was 3kgt saying it, and it was random numbers at best.

BTW< THIS IS IMPORT TUNER, most cars on here are not stock, which is why stock hp numbers would be completely irrelevant.

I dyno'd 303whp on a 100 degree day, its safe to say without dynoing again, it makes between 320-330whp on days below 80 degrees.

And its not about wut it come from the factory, its how well prepared the MR2 was for making power in stock form, its safe to say that with its 540cc injectors, iron block and aluminum head, it is vastly overengineered for making a lot more power than it came with from the factory.

Turbo is not as good as NA. I do not beleive the integra type r to be as good as the Nissan Skyline, skylines are well known to be a performance car in the same league as porsches and ferrari's, integras are not. Integras did not win 6 jgtc's, they did not win one jgtc. The skyline did.  Just for example the ITR runs a 14.7 in the quarter last time I checked, a stock 94+ JDM MR2 Turbo runs 13.3. Add a $50 boost controller and I get 50-60hp extra overstock, you cant add a boost controller to a ITR since it dont have one.

540cc stock injectors>240cc stock injectors in the ITR.

RWD does not have more drivetrain loss as FWD if were talking MRWD.

FWD does not make a good tuning platform since the weight of the car is being pulled off the drivewheels. If FWD is so great, than surely you would agree that MRWD is by far the best, since the motor is in the BACK of the car, where the weight is going to shift towards under acceleration, and since most of the weight is in the middle of the car, it allows for better braking bias and weight distribution than a front heavy FWD car could possibly acheive.

Boost too high on any motor and engine failure will happen. But taken care of properly, a turbo motor can last and last, lots of 3sgte owners put 200k miles b4 needing a rebuild, and push %60-%150 more power overstock. A car built for boost from the factory, will be easier to add more boost to, than a car built naturally aspirated from the factory.

Why he added the transam as a stock supercharged car, I dunno, but large displacement naturally aspirated V8's are the only NA cars that can easily be made fast in the quartermile, NA 4cyl's/6cyl's can not.  

your post also doesn't make any sense. you say NA is just as good as turbo and you talk about how a civic has a huge aftermarket following and there are many turboed civics. if your NA FWD civic is so good why do people want to turbo it? and if NA is so good, why would anyone want to turbo anything? and if FWD is soo good how come the fastest cars at the track are almost always RWD or AWD?