eclipse gs-t

is a eclipse gst a good car? im thinking about purchasing...a 2nd gen...i was going to get a civic swap the motor...etc etc...

with an eclipe i know there heavy, but will i need to swap a motor into the eclipse or just upgrage the turbo, blow off valve, and all the bolt ons?

i need some help i dont want to purchase and it not be what i want  

Eclipse 4g63t- Capable of 450hp on stock internals.. Stock turbocharged.

Go BPU first of all.. Then look into upgraded turbo,injectors etc.

Im all for this purchase. It is FWD so the first thing you really need to do is get some stickier tires to hold it on the ground. then bpu. then go with some more mods to help hold your car down. Theennn look into upgraded turbo/injectors etc.  

eclipse gst's and gsx's are great cars.  go for it.  

GST is only good for roll racing. Any standing stop or drag races, and you will sit there and roast the tires. I would know, my brother owns one. And unfortunately, the fender wells in the front are so narrow that he cant fit all that much tread. there is one gst on the dsm forums, that has a ridiculous 600whp and can only muster a low 12 in the quartermile.

To me and my brother, the eclipse gsx is the only car worth upgrading if your looking for a car that can be fast from a stop, which to me is the only true way to race, from a dead stop.

Oh and that is the beauty of a stock turboed car when it comes to upgrades. Usually you can push more than 400whp b4 requiring a bottom end being rebuilt and swapped back into place, where on your hondas, you tend to need both a motor swap and rebuild long b4 you can even touch 300whp as well as an ECU upgrade and fuel system + supporting mods (Thanks to my 540cc stock injectors I could push past 300 on all stock components and a turbokit).  

I know I didnt want to be swapping motors and rebuilding them or tuning a new fuel system or ecu, so I did just that, bought a motor well capable of pushing past the 400whp mark b4 requiring a bottom end rebuild.  

sorry for the stupid question but...is the 4g63t the motor that is already in the gst?

i think first thing i'd do is buy a bov cause i love the sound...then bpu...then upgraded turbo  

According to wikipedia the 4g63t was used in the following vehicles

1984–1987 Dodge Colt Vista
1988 Mitsubishi Cordia
1988 Mitsubishi Tredia
1988–1992 Dodge Colt Vista
1989–1992 Mitsubishi Galant
1989–1992 US-spec Mitsubishi Galant
1990–1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse
1990–1998 Eagle Talon
1990–1994 Plymouth Laser
1982-1990 Mitsubishi Starion (Australia)
1992–1998 Hyundai Sonata
1994–1998 Mitsubishi RVR X3 Turbo
1992-2007 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo
2001-2006 Mitsubishi Airtrek Turbo
2001-2006 Mitsubishi Outlander Turbo

since they're not being specific which trim of Eclipse has it I'm guessing the gst has 1.  
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dont listen to scrotumsucker the gst is a good vehicle. not everyone can get a gsx. ive never seen one, i only see gsts. besides if you wanna go awd, you can put the evo drivetrain in it.  
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Yea, listen to the guy that thinks his 147hp 3400lb FWD NA rolling brick is fast :rollseyes:

I am only giving you testimony from what my brother experienced from drag racing his GST eclipse. It is awful for drag racing. Roll racing only is pretty much what you would be building if you choose a GST. I base this off the fact that my brothers car and my 1st MR2 had similar mods, but vastly different 60ft times on launch, both our cars would run 14's and had about the exact same mods on stock turbos, but my bro was cutting a 2.6 60ft and I was cutting a 2.1. Even though his car could trap higher than mine, I would cross the quarter .4 seconds quicker and be much more consistant (14.2 was my fastest, 14.6 was his fastest) Everyone knows that for every .1 you shave off your 60ft, your shaving off .2 in the quartermile overall, so a car that can launch good is much more desirable than one that launches bad and has to make it up in the last half.

It was because his stock hrated tires were too narrow and the open diff. FWD setup made for very poor traction compared to my MidRear Open diff. setup.

Look, I got first hand experience with both cars, you can take my word, or this guy who has never even attempted to tune a car that most would consider a good platform for racing but tunes cars that most people consider are crappy for racing, mainly FWD NA's.

Trust me, if you want to do more than roll racing, the GSX is the only way to go. However rare it is, it surely cant be as rare as my MR2, and Im not afraid to drive a couple hundred miles to get to a roject car IM going to spend thousands of dollars and hours in working on.  

hey scrotumsucker my car only weighs 3000, i dont know where you gettin you info from but its wrong, i should know, i weighed my car. my car is fast for a fwd natuned with minor boltons. if you know anything you would know that awd cars loose more horses from the crank to the wheels. the gst and gsx are the same vehicle. take away the rear drive and you get the same engine, same transmission, same suspension, same turbo. the gsx is the worst awd setup there ever was. its dive power was f/r 70/30. it was practically a fwd. ya it was the predocessor to the evo awd. the awd was so bad in the gsx they trashed after 2 yrs. the made it better and put it in the 3000gt vr4, but it was only f/r 60/40. the evos fun f/r 40/60, 50/50, 60/40. the drive changes for the terrain. the gsx looses over 40hp from the crank to the wheels, compared to 26hp loss with the gst. if scrotum really knew how to drive the front wheels wouldnt slip. a member in my cc has a gst with a t16 turbo, stock drivline and his wheels dont spin, and he flys off the line. a real driver can control his car. you say you have first hand experiance, one run down the strip is hardly enough to say you have any experiance. ive driven all drivetrains and engines, i know what im talkin about. any dumbass can put a turbo on a car. it takes a real tuner to strip an engine and pull a *** load of horses out of the natuned block. you say i only pick cars that know one wants. i believe the crx is a very popular base to tune on. i took one stipped it to the ground and rebuilt it and pushed 285whp natuned. have you ever done that? probably not. i bet you pay people to work on your cars. actually your momma probably paid for it. i will say it again. you only talk about a few types of cars cause thats all you know. you dont know *** i at least have built and driven every style of drive and engine. i dont pay anyone to do my dirty work. if you dont get your hands dirty with the car it really your car, you just drive someone elses handywork.  
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^good burn godfather, but try not to bring mothers into this.  not only is it immature (not saying you are), it just drifts away from the original argument.  Looks like you really read up on the gsx drive train though.  Good work.  I also agree with the CRX.  Most popular NA import platform of its generation.  1700lbs stripped, versatile swap possibilities, and great aftermarket support.  

Hey, if choosing a handicapped setup that requires massive amounts of work, replacement of parts and reengineering the motor into a racing motor is your thing, than thats fine.

I just think its silly, you want to get into racing, so you choose one of the slowest motors that mitsubishi has ever produced. I am not a rich man, and I can not afford to make a FWD NA fast.

Therefore, I go with a motor that is already built to be fast from the factory, that comes with 540cc injectors, an LSD in a MR setup, and start from there. No swaps required, no engine rebuilds. I dont need a cherry picker and the tools required to rebuild motors stored in my garage, no, I dont have anywhere near that space for all that stuff.

I just buy one bolt on at a time, and add it to the motor, and sell off the old part. For me, all I needed was a turbo to make 303whp on a 100 degree day.

You and your 4g64? You require pulling the motor for a rebuild, rebuilding it with stronger components, a new standalone ecu, fuel rail, fuel pump, larger injectors, a turbo/supercharger/nitrous, etc etc etc. And then its FWD. YOu require a whole slew of traction mods to get any of that power to the ground, like a transmission rebuild with LSD, obviously a different clutch is a must, slicks, AT bar, etc. etc.

All that work and close to 10-15k in cash to probably only run the same quarter mile time that $1000-$1500 in mods would do to a stock version of my motor. To me, thats just insane. If you want to get bang for the buck, forget tuning NA FWD 4cylinders, unless those are the only cars you want to hang with. I would rather race with the bigboys, v8's, turbo rotary's and turbo v6's, and do it cheaply.

Maybe you make more money than me and have more space to put tools for rebuilding *** I do not. Nor do I have the patience and time for all that work and would rather choose a motor that is very easy to extract power from, than one that is very hard.  

i like to do it that way. you have more braggin rights when you take a car that people call crap and smoke them in it. i build my cars like i build my models, with patience and care to every little aspect. that is why i am a real tuner. i could have bought an evo when i bought my eclipse but i didnt want to. its only gonna cost me appr. 4gs to do it cause i do it myself, or if i have trouble i have a cc with a bunch of self tuners that can help me, my cc is an mmg cc, and most of us have eclipses. i know what im talkin about with eclipses, the only gen i ahve never touched is a 4th gen. i work on my car in my apartment carport. i keep all my tools in my closet. you probably spent as much to pick up your rare car as i paid for my car. you keep on sayin awd mr2. the mr2 never came awd. how much did you spend on your drivtrain swap. i make the best of what i got and do it month by month. i have more in my life than just tunin. im married and startin a family. ive only had three days off work since last july, i live in oklahoma makin 6.50 an hr, and work 55hrs a weak. but i take time to work on my car when i have a chance. when you have more of a life than just tunin it takes awhile to work on your car. when i lived at home i had money and i spent it makin a 13 sec natuned crx. my car is shifttronic, they dont have clutches.  
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Yaaa money helps.. I do all of my work with a 200 piece craftsman on the side of my street... neighbors LOVE it lol.  And now i got a 225 dollar speeding ticket.. and need a new clutch,flywheel,pressure plate, and throwout bearing.. Not to mention my 2nd gear should be going soon... *sigh* for 14 year old cars.. just replaced the altenator too..  

know the fealin. thats why my last car was a 93 buick skylark with a blown front suspension.  
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One good thing about having a honda; they're as reliable as anything can get.  Mine is still a new baby (10,000 miles) but i plan on having it a loooooooong time .  Sorry to hear about your ticket and drivetrain problems though Xx3KgtxX.  Mechanical problems suck, but luckily you can DIY rather than paying a mechanic probably a good grand for clutch, flywheel, pressure plat, TO bearing, on top of 3K in parts.