|
Num Posts
Sort Order
|
|
Posted: 11/24/07 10:35 AM
|
|
I've have my 93 Prelude for a while now, and I've finally saved up enough money to invest in a forced induction system. Problem is, which should I get? I know most responses will say a turbo syste, but I have seen quite a couple Preludes with superchargers too, both Centrifugal and Positive Displacement kinds. My question is, what kind of forced induction system should I get, and is there any real differences between putting a turbo or a supercharger in a prelude since its such a small engine.
Also, I recently took my car to a local shop because I noticed that when I was racing it, the car would not go over 115mph. The guy at the shop told me that there was some kind of Japanese ECU in it or something that prevented it from going over 115mph. Do any of you know if there is a way to override this or something? Or would putting a new ECU in it fix the problem. Thanks guys.
|
|
Posted: 11/24/07 10:49 AM
|
|
First off you cab't put any sort of a forced induction system on your car, so don't waste the money. If you do it will last you a few months, maybe. Your cars internals can't handle, and your block porbably cant either. As for your speed limiter HKS makes a nice little override chip/device for $100 that is a plug and play deal.
|
|
Posted: 11/24/07 10:59 AM
|
|
OK, well im glad I thought to ask before I went ahead and did it lol. Would there be anything I can do to make it be able to handle the forced induction?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/24/07 05:56 PM
|
|
Rebuild your block with iron sleeves, low compression pistons and stronger rods, a standalone ems or hondata s300, 540-800cc injectors, A FPR, a walbro 255, a turbo kit. You will need to strengthen components like your clutch, and flywheel, and possibly axles if you plan on launching on them.All in all, your looking at about $10000 to have a Boostable Honda that can compare to a stock WRC motor like a 4g63 or 3sgte, which is why I went with a motor that already had strong internals, low compression pistons and 540cc injectors from the factory, so I wouldnt have to spend 10g's building it up to handle that kind of power, like your prelude motor has to.
Making the power is only half the equation, the other half is getting it to the ground. You will also need to rebuild your open diff. tranny with an LSD to get both tires spinning, and then buy a set of rims with slicks on them to see any hopes of getting a sub 2.0 60ft on your FWD platform.
Honestly, if you want to be fast, I would sell the Prelude, and buy a car that doesnt come with FWD like the prelude, and comes with an iron blocked, DOHC, turbocharged 2.0 WRC 4cylinder, one that comes with 440cc injectors minimum and preferably 540cc's from the factory. Your Hondas require almost every part on them to be replaced and upgraded in order to be fast, why not start off with a car with a RWD or AWD drivetrain that will have an easy time getting power to the ground, and one that has a strong boosting motor from the factory?
You pretty much have to reengineer your economy motor in the prelude to be a racing motor, well the 3sgte/4g63/ej20/SR20det are all motors used in WRC and JGTC, they were built very well for boosting and dont require an entire motor rebuild and everything upgraded, in order to be fast.
|
|
Posted: 11/24/07 07:05 PM
|
|
When i bought the car it already had an LSD tranny. It also has a stage 2 exeedy clutch and a lightened flywheel, would they help with strenghtening them? Also, I dont plan to be racing it on tracks, so I wont have to really worry about launching it unless someone wants to try and jump me off a stop light. And how much would it be to buy an engine like a 4g63 or 3sgte? Because the car is in premium shape all around, and if it would be cheaper to jus buy an engine saw than it would be to buy a new car I might look into that, seeing as how pretty much all of money got dumped into buying the car and then fixing all the cosmetic problems.
|
|
Posted: 11/24/07 08:17 PM
|
|
While it does sound like it has some of the supporting mods required for getting power to the ground, you still would probably need slicks, wider drag rims and an antitorque bar, and possibly stronger axles b4 u could add a 2step. The WRC motors like the 3sgte and 4g63 dont come in Honda's. The swaps for those motors in your car would be a first and therefore are probably not possible.
The problem with the prelude is that most of its weight is in the front, and its drivetrain is in the front. Having a Front wheel drive car, makes for bad oversteer, and poor traction under hard acceleration, which is why it would be a lot easier to go fast in a RWD or AWD car that had the same modifications as your prelude, not to mention there are cars with factory motors that are built much better for boosting than the H22a was designed for.
|
|
Posted: 11/24/07 11:12 PM
|
|
i dont even know if i have an H22 lol its not the original engine, the guy i bought it from imported a JDM engine and put it in, but most likely its still an H22. Im only 16 so i cant rele jus go out and get a new car lol. Since forced induction is out of the question, what are some other mods i could do? It already has a cold air intake and an exhaust and new throttle bodys
|
|
Posted: 11/25/07 07:33 AM
|
|
Hondata can let you tune when the vtec kicks in, you can do minor upgrades that will free up a couple hp, but what limits your motor from making lots of power is it has no ability to take a lot of air in, it is very limited to how much it naturally breathes, so you will always make less than 210~whp or so, without a turbocharger/supercharger/nitrous, and even then, the stock fuel systems on Honda's are very weak and come with tiny 240cc injectors or so. Compared to my stock 540cc injectors on my 3sgte, those are quite inferior.
Then you run into problems with other components, like the weak aluminum block that Honda curses its cars with, generally speaking, most Hondas need a $5000 motor rebuild to get past 300whp, unlike my car where all I needed to do was add a simple bolt on 50trim turbokit and it makes around 330whp daily driven on pump gas, with another 100whp to spare b4 I need to rebuild my block.
If you want to race, its best to choose a car that already comes stock with a turbo charger, comes stock with large injectors, comes stock with an iron block, doesnt come with Front Wheel drive. All these factors make for a fast car, and if you have to upgrade everything just to be as fast as a stock turbo car, than you MUST have a lot of money to burn through to be able to do this, which few 16 year olds do.
Even though your 16, you can still have a fast car without spending an arm and a leg, if you sold your prelude.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=232273428&dealer_id=61341043&car_year=1991&model=ECLIP&num_records=&systime=1196011882250&make2=&start_year=1990&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=MIT&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=63026&advanced=&end_year=1994&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=586&superSpotlight=
Here is an eclipse gsx with a gt35 turbo. This car has a motor/turbo setup with an awd drivetrain that can potentially run 10's. You would have to easily dump $20,000 into your preludes motor and drivetrain, to do the same. This car is only $4600. If you want to be fast for cheap, gotta choose the correct platform for racing.
|
|
Posted: 11/25/07 08:26 AM
|
|
Yea, the guy i bought it from said the VTEC already is tuned, apparently it kicks in at 5100 rpms instead of 5800? idk much about japanese motors, this is all pretty much a learning experience for me lol
|