Im looking for a car that has the potential of been a FAST car 13's 12's 11's 10's??? i was looking on the rsx type s i seen it on videos that they as fast almost as fast at the 350z and cheaper...st-4 is cheap and its kinda fast but then again its a neon.. =( so my question is what should i go for? the 350z is kinda heavy and i seen it lose vs the type s a few times... is there another car out there thats around this price range that has good potential with a few mods and a Turbo or Supercharger..? many people told me to go 240sx and swap rb26dett in there and im set but i was looking for a newer car 01 and up maybe...

one last question.. a stock 05 type-s is 210hp and a 350z is almost 300hp how the *** do you lose?

thx alot Vic.  

All of the above cars you listed are slow to me, atleast none of them can keep up with a bone stock version of my car (runs 13.3 in stock form) and I only paid $6500 for mine and the previous owner had ran a 12 in it a month b4 I picked it up.

RB26DETT is no simple swap, do you have good welding and fabrication skills?

If you want a "fast" car, follow this simple formula and it can be had on the cheap. So long as its RWD/AWD or comes with a turbo/supercharger/v8 from the factory, and is relatively light in weight, it can be made fast for pretty cheap. I followed that formula and now I own a car with potential of running 11's (John Stansesson ran an 11.9 with my exact same setup) just by slapping on a simple 50trim turbokit to an otherwise bone stock unopened motor.  

i know the RB26DETT no simple swap but there is a web site that makes the swap alot easyer, its a kit that comes with the oil pan the rb25 motor mounts and a few more parts.. still the car is going to be 10 years old and i think for the money ima spend making the swap with and old engine and all its going to be about 20 grand.. but is it really worth it on a 10 year old car? so i was looking for a newer car maybe 05.

any ways i was looking at the evo and for the 28g's they want i can make purty much any other car faster.. for example on youtube the rsx type s supercharge beats that evo pwn pwn... so 19,000 plus 4 g's i mean think about it you save a few thousand.. =)

there is the GTO but i dont know..v8

what kinda car do you drive man?  

Well I dont like to get details into the car I drive, I actually try to discourage people from buying them as they are pretty rare, and one of the cheapest and easiest cars to make fast, especially considering it can brake better than a Ferrari 360Modena on stock suspension/brakes/rims, runs low 13's and also produces the same skidpad results as a Ferrari F40 on a bone stock suspension rims and brakes. It is a 16 year old car though, and I find it to be pretty reliable, although it has left me stranded on the side of the road 2x since Ive owned it, only car Ive ever have left me stranded, but the 02 sensor wire incinerated itself against the exhaust manifold so I was the one to blame for being stranded. They make horrible first tuner cars, because they really require a responsible, knowledgeable owner that works on the car himself as a lot of mechanics do half assed jobs. Then there is the whole bit about it being MRWD, this is not your FWD grocery getter. If you do something stupid or n00bish in it, the backend will snap oversteer on you and all you can do is pray and hope you dont hit anything. This car is not for novices.

If your going to get into tuning cars, you may as well know how to work on them yourself, I like having an old car because a lot of the parts that go bad, I replace with an upgrade for a few more dollars than what Id have to pay  on a normal car part. After doing the work myself, I often save money from what a mechanic charges me, do a better job, and am more skilled at working on my car in the end. So a 10 year+ old car is no problem just so long as it was taken care of well. If its taken care of well, it is not much different from a new car.  

i know i love old cars, all my cars been from 90's ive had 300zx 240sx acuras, honda, probes, trucks, i mean ive had alot. the thing is that because there old, so many lil shiet pop up all the time and for once i wanna have a car i know its not gonna go bad when you least expect it, you know what i mean? i know it can happen to new cars too, but the advantege to that is that you take it back to the dealer n you can get it fix for free or get another car.

240sx with rb26dett is running 400hp stock so that was my option if i get an older car.  

Actually rb26dett's are rated at 280ps stock, which is more like 276hp.  

Japan's "Gentlemen's Agreement" limited cars to 276HP, Nissan just had to claim the GT-R only made that much.  they were underrated.  the RB26DETT has been known to put out around 325hp stock at the crank. although they put out more to the wheels then they are officially rated at the crank, its still not 400hp stock.

"The lower published figure was Nissan's response to the need to abide by a gentleman's agreement between the Japanese auto manufacturers not to release a car to the public exceeding 280 ps (276 hp) of power output."  

Well, given how light the 240sx is, chances are putting an RB26DETT feels like about 400 hp :P  Nonetheless that's splitting hairs.  Still, fast ass car if you want to REALLY spend money pimping it out instead of paying for the luxury  of a brand plus decent speed.  But why bother when you can do everything you ever wanted to do to a cheap car?  A luxury brand won't give you that much leeway to make the car your own.  It will have a/c and a nice ipod connector for the expensive sound system though :P  

thats true, an RB26 in a 240 would be a monster.  it would be a blast to drive too (rwd).  the only thing that would hold me back is the state ref - it wouldnt be what you would call "legal" in CA  

sirscr0tum1:
All of the above cars you listed are slow to me, atleast none of them can keep up with a bone stock version of my car (runs 13.3 in stock form) and I only paid $6500 for mine and the previous owner had ran a 12 in it a month b4 I picked it up.

RB26DETT is no simple swap, do you have good welding and fabrication skills?

If you want a "fast" car, follow this simple formula and it can be had on the cheap. So long as its RWD/AWD or comes with a turbo/supercharger/v8 from the factory, and is relatively light in weight, it can be made fast for pretty cheap. I followed that formula and now I own a car with potential of running 11's (John Stansesson ran an 11.9 with my exact same setup) just by slapping on a simple 50trim turbokit to an otherwise bone stock unopened motor.

Sorry to burst your bubble dude...but NO MR2 ran a 13.3 in stock form, PERIOD.....EVER.

Your car in stock form runs a high 14 second 1/4 at BEST.


...trippin.  

I am sorry, but you must think I house an inferior 2nd gen 3sgte in my engine bay to come up with that obviously false quartermile time. I do not house an inferior 2nd gen 3sgte in my engine bay, I have a $5000 3rd gen 3sgte swap, which does in fact a 13.3 from the factory, I would know since my car has ran a 12.8@108.3mph with a subpar 1.99 60ft by simply adding an open dpipe, Side Mount IC, intake and the boost turned up.

For someone who knows nothing about MR2's, they can easily be confused that there are actually two vastly different versions of 3sgte's, between the MR2's that run 14.7 stock and the ones that run 13.3 stock (14.7 was still the fastest import EVER imported to America for the time period)

This is all that Toyota changed on the JDM and european 94-99 3rd gen 3sgte, from the 91-95 USDM 2nd gen 3sgte. Note the 540cc injectors stock and ceramic ct20b+ raised boost pressure. THey also come with stock A2W IC's on the Celica's and make 255hp stock on those.


- MAP sensor instead of AFM
- Bosch D-Jetronic (Gen III) vs. L-Jetronic (relatively primitive) engine management
- CT20b turbo replaces CT26
- Boost raised from 10psi to 13psi
- Fuel cut raised from 12 psi to 18 psi
- Different ECU
- 4 wire O2 sensor
- Shim under bucket valve shims
- slightly more aggressive cams
- Revised internals (pistons, con-rods etc.)
- Revised cylinder head cooling passages/water jackets
- Revised intake manifold (8 'independent long ports' reduced to 4)
- intake manifold inlet air temperature sensor added. i.e. after turbo and intercooler.
- Revised gearbox with close ratio gearing
- lower compression ratio
- stainless steel head gasket
- factory 540cc injectors replace 440cc injectors
- revised fuel rail with bigger bore and relocated pressure regulator
- TVIS eliminated
- EGR eliminated
- LSD in 80% of them
- throttle body increased from 55mm to 60mm
- inlet valve lift increased from 8.2 to 8.7
- intake manifold inlet air temperature sensor added
- Less restrictive exhaust elbow
- Aluminum oil pan
- more rigid alloy sump and additional oil baffles
- Factory Catch can
- Better Oil Cooler and relocated oil filter (bottom)
- 4 Channel ABS coupled with Traction Control available
- No. 1 compression ring described as 'stainless steel' instead of just 'steel'. Oil ring is described as 'stainless steel' instead of 'a combination of steel and stainless steel'.
- The fuel pressure raised from 36 PSI (2.55 bar) to 41 PSI (2.9bar).



If I am the one that is wrong, than please explain to me this peice of video of a STOCK MR2 running a 13.3
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/857624cd-a98c-4466-ae5c-4574f64cc521.htm

I am sorry you paid *** near 4 or 5x as much on your Supra as you would on a MR2 Turbo that runs the same quartermile time from the factory, but I felt the MKIV Supra was too *** slow from the factory for how much people ask for them, and went with the better bang for the buck choice, the MR2.
Your the one that is trippin, now stfu and do some research b4 u open that fat mouth of yours next time.  

sirscr0tum1:
I am sorry, but you must think I house an inferior 2nd gen 3sgte in my engine bay to come up with that obviously false quartermile time. I do not house an inferior 2nd gen 3sgte in my engine bay, I have a $5000 3rd gen 3sgte swap, which does in fact a 13.3 from the factory, I would know since my car has ran a 12.8@108.3mph with a subpar 1.99 60ft by simply adding an open dpipe, Side Mount IC, intake and the boost turned up.


If I am the one that is wrong, than please explain to me this peice of video of a STOCK MR2 running a 13.3
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/857624cd-a98c-4466-ae5c-4574f64cc521.htm

Your the one that is trippin, now stfu and do some research b4 u open that fat mouth of yours next time.

Firstly, moron.....
we're talking about STOCK.
Do you know what that means?
A $5000 motor swap, intake, modified intercooler, and increased boost is NOT considered STOCK.

Secondly, that video you provided is in *** Japanese and doesn't show any 1/4 mile times, so I don't know what the *** that's supposed to prove.
That you're an idiot?
I suppose, but you didn't need a video to prove that.
lmao.

Now, unless you can provide an actual timeslip, running your MR-2 on 100% stock components...me and the rest of the world will just see you as another ricer wanna-be.

Oh, wait...I stand corrected....I think I found a video of you running a 12 second pass in your MR-2....yeah, here it is:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/71550/street_racing_toyota_mr2_crash/

BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!1111  

This forum never ceases to amaze me with what kind of idiots come to this forum.

So you can not see that in the video it was a 0-400m run. Well for soemone who can not do a simple metric to standard conversion, 400m is 1312 feet, 8 feet shy of a quartermile which is negligible at the end of the pass so it still runs 13.3.

No, I myself have not ran a 12.8, the previous owner did one month b4 I picked it up and I have been building it to run mid 11's (any lower than 11.5 requires a cage) which is no major feat for a gen 3 on an unopened block and stock ecu/fuel system. But I never got it out to the track since its smarter to get all the supporting mods out the way than race it and break my $1000 axles from wheel hop or blow the motor from not having water injection when its 90 degrees out.
I do not need to prove quartermile times to a n00b like you, go check out mr2oc.com's quartermile registry, I know what my car is capable of running when paired up with other gen 3's and similar mods, and would be more than willing to share the dynograph.





I dont have to tell you what 303whp, and that was on a heatsoaked intercooler on a 98 degree day, in the winter im pushing closer to 330whp, in a 2700lb chassis runs, 13's is nothing, but 12's is a mere crank of the boost away and 11's is attainable on the stock fuel system.

And yes, that Motor is %100 stock bolt in motor from another MR2, I bought the car with the motor already installed, it is not a mod since the 5sfe on it froze at 163k miles and like any old car, it would require a new motor after 14 years of use.  

Roffle.

Really....you crack me up, dude.

"No, I myself have not ran a 12.8, the previous owner did one month b4 I picked it up ..."

Hilarious.

Hey guess what, then?

"I have a 9 second Supra!
Yep...it's true, cuz...well...the guy that owned it before me ran a 9 second pass!
Timeslip?
No...don't have one of those.
I'm just talking out of my azz to impress people, and didn't think I'd actually NEED a timeslip for you guys to believe me.
Stock?  Yeah, it was stock dude...100%!!!
I mean, all it had was an upgraded T88 single turbo and a race transmission, oh, and drag radials...but I mean..other than that...yeah, it was stock."

   


Hahaha....  

Oh, and consequently...since you're too much of a puzzy to talk smack about my car in a NEW post and had to edit an OLD post to do so...
...feel free to take a drive to Texas, and you can line up your 12 second (lol) MR-2 against my over-rated MKIV Supra, and I'll show you why I paid more for mine.

K?