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Engine Swap for 92 240 SX
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Posted: 04/27/06 10:06 PM
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Hey i just turned 16 and my dad got me a 240 and I love it. I love imports and I want this car to be right and i figured somone knows what there talking about. I was wondering what motor i should swap with mine. I was told there is like 3 motors i can switch out but which one do u think would be the best and smartest decision?
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Posted: 04/27/06 10:12 PM
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You should turbo charge your stock motor (KA24DE), that route is less common but has more potential. The most common swap is the SR20DET. Thats enough from me, KATwo40sx is the resident 240 guy here, so I'll let him take it.
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Posted: 04/28/06 03:45 PM
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afaik there are 3 different motors than stock that will fit: -SR20DET -RB25DET -RB26DETT the SR20DET came in JDM S14's (same as your car) so its an easy swap, the only problem is *** i beleive they have to be imported from japan. maybe you can get lucky and find one in a junkyard from someone who couldnt handle it. dont be that guy and learn how to drive well now.
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Posted: 04/28/06 04:10 PM
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yea i think after i save my moeny and learn how to drive well i will swap with the SR20DET
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sirscr0tum
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Posted: 04/28/06 06:12 PM
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Yea, its better to work with a motor that was built for boosting from the factory, than try and tune a motor to make it handle boost when it wasnt built for it. I have heard KA240sx tuners have more reliability issues and there bottom end isnt as strong as the sr20det's, Id just swap in an sr20det or rb25dett and call it a day.
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Posted: 04/28/06 09:57 PM
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thats only because you have a turbo stuck up your ass and you refuse to try something new. Theres no replacement for displacement, right? oh what? the KA has more? ohhh okay not I get why the KA has more potential. But whatever dude go ahead and do it the SR way, be just like everybody else, way to be unique. But be forwarned, the only reason sirscr0tum said that is because contradicting me is his absolute favorite passtime.
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KATwo40sx
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Posted: 04/29/06 06:48 AM
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afaik there are 3 different motors than stock that will fit: -SR20DET -RB25DET -RB26DETT the SR20DET came in JDM S14's (same as your car) so its an easy swap, the only problem is *** i beleive they have to be imported from japan. maybe you can get lucky and find one in a junkyard from someone who couldnt handle it. dont be that guy and learn how to drive well now.
Just to clarify, the S13 is 1989-1994. They all had Redtop SR20DET engines. The S14 is 95-98. They all had Blacktop SR20DET engines. This is in Japan and Australia. Some Euro models had CA18DET engines and are turds. Don't even bother with the CA18DET.
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KATwo40sx
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Posted: 04/29/06 07:06 AM
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Hey i just turned 16 and my dad got me a 240 and I love it. I love imports and I want this car to be right and i figured somone knows what there talking about. I was wondering what motor i should swap with mine. I was told there is like 3 motors i can switch out but which one do u think would be the best and smartest decision?
There are many differences in the engine options available to your car. At this time, there are SEVERAL engines from which to choose.
SR20DET (most common) CA18DET (too small 1.8L -bad idea) KA24DE (already in your car, responds well to boost, but requires proper tuning and such) RB20DET (inline 2.0L turbo six cylinder...bad idea) RB25DET (inline 2.5L turbo six cylinder...pretty decent potential, very expensive swap, parts are expensive...very) RB26DETT (inline 2.6L twin-turbo six cylinder...great power potential, incredibly expensive swap, very high parts replacement costs) LS-1 (GM Corvette V-8 N/A engine...most potential of all, expensive, not easy swap, requires MUCH fabrication, even when using a swap kit)
As you can see, the selection is not as vast as the Honda swap selection, but it's pretty decent.
If you want an engine that's simple, is a direct drop-in, can handle substantial upgrades without internal modification, was built for boost from the factory, revs very high (and likes to stay there) and has been race-proven, you should by all means use the SR20DET.
If you want an engine that's already in your car, responds well to boost levels of 10-15psi (daily driven), has a very flat torque curve, delivers more torque than hp, doesn't rev high, makes the power down low, but requires internal building to exceed 350whp safely (that's a lot for a 16yr old driver), and requires some tinkering now and again, then you'll want to turbocharge your stock engine (KA24DE).
The RB line of engines is pretty expensive, but quite different. Not many people have that engine in the 240sx and when you pop the hood and see one, it's always cool -even if they're running stock boost and making the same or less power than a modified SR or KA. The RB also has some good torque potential, moreso than the SR or KA.
The CA18DET is a 1.8L turbo motor that pretty much sucks. It's WAY small for the 240sx (2800lbs) and I don't recommend it.
The LS-1 is the big daddy. If you want an engine that makes over 300hp in N/A form, responds VERY well to nitrous and to F/I, can eat up many cars on the dragstrip and will definitely run with the big boys, this swap is for you. However, be warned that it's no task for the impatient. It requires careful consideration and layout procedures, is very time consuming and demands an open mind for fabrication and such. However, the end result is a pavement chewing, tire skinning, ground pounder that will yank a kink in your neck quite instantly.
Hope this information helps in your selection. I do like your plan of learning to drive the car in stock form before pursuing a high-power engine choice. Also, you should upgrade the brakes so it'll stop before upgrading the "go-fast" parts.
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Posted: 04/29/06 08:49 AM
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Thanks everyone for your comments you guys helped out a first timer well. And I do intend to put new breaks on.
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Posted: 04/29/06 05:21 PM
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hi people i got a question i heard somewhere but i cant remember where but that in california it was illegal to swap in a SR20DET. im just asking because im was not sure if there where illegal. also i was also thinkin of buyin a 98 240sx and dropin in a SR20DET so i was just askin
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sirscr0tum
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Posted: 04/29/06 09:25 PM
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thats only because you have a turbo stuck up your ass and you refuse to try something new. Theres no replacement for displacement, right? oh what? the KA has more? ohhh okay not I get why the KA has more potential. But whatever dude go ahead and do it the SR way, be just like everybody else, way to be unique. But be forwarned, the only reason sirscr0tum said that is because contradicting me is his absolute favorite passtime.
Why dont you stop flame baiting me after every single post? The fact remains, Ill take NIssan's racing motor over its economy truck motor any day. I mean, you sure dont see many other NA motors competing better than there turbo counterparts. If it were so good, Nissan would have chosen to slap a turbo on the ka24de instead of the sr20de.
Ive worked with a turbo car and an NA powered car before. And I get A LOT more hp to dollar ratio from a stock turbo car than having to add all the [censored] first.
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Posted: 04/30/06 12:17 AM
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It gets to a point where stuff gets boring as [censored] because thats what everyone else does. Oh he has a SR in a 240? Whatever, so does everybody else in the world. Oh, he has a built KA that he turbo'd and tuned himself? Wow, thats cool, lets go take a look. It also gets very tiring when you every post is exactly the same advertisment about 'go buy a new car that is factory turbocharged'. I'm just sick of hearing the exact same thing from you over and over again. Try something new for once. If you are track racing on a less than killer fast track with a lot of turns and curves, whats the point of a turbo? Why not just keep it in NA form and hang the corners instead of having to worry about when the turbo is going to boost so you can make it through the turn? The point is, you can make one badass car in NA form and it will still have its place is the tuner world.
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KATwo40sx
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Posted: 04/30/06 06:12 AM
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hi people i got a question i heard somewhere but i cant remember where but that in california it was illegal to swap in a SR20DET. im just asking because im was not sure if there where illegal. also i was also thinkin of buyin a 98 240sx and dropin in a SR20DET so i was just askin
Yes, running a non-stock engine in CA is illegal and commonly results in high fines and sometimes vehicle siezure.
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Posted: 04/30/06 11:11 AM
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hi people i got a question i heard somewhere but i cant remember where but that in california it was illegal to swap in a SR20DET. im just asking because im was not sure if there where illegal. also i was also thinkin of buyin a 98 240sx and dropin in a SR20DET so i was just askin
Yes, running a non-stock engine in CA is illegal and commonly results in high fines and sometimes vehicle siezure.
so swaps are a big no-no here in CA? and does that include on all engines?
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KATwo40sx
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Posted: 04/30/06 01:06 PM
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Yes. In many parts of CA, you'll get busted for a CAI, even though it doesn't actually effect emissions. Some of the CHP dudes are hardarses.
You can swap the engines on a track-only car, however. That's perfectly legal. Just not on a street-driven car.
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